Leslie Charles Payne

Name on Plaque

L. PAYNE

Connection with Effingham

He was not native to Effingham and nor were his parents. The latter were living here by 1939, having been previously living in Balham.

Genealogy

Leslie’s father was Charles Andrew Payne whose birth on 21 December 1891 was registered in the following quarter [GRO Ref: Edmonton 3a 276, 1892 (Q1)]. Charles Andrew’s parents were Charles (Senr.) Payne and Catherine (née Marney) who had married in 1882 [GRO Ref: Uxbridge 3a 64, 1882 (Q3)]. The 1891 Census finds Charles (Senr.) and Catherine living in West Ham, Essex:

1891 Census
No. 20, Ernest Road, Plaistow, West Ham, Essex : PRO Ref: RG12 Piece 1327 Folio 953 Page 51

Charles [Senr.] Pain [sic – Payne] : head : mar : 32 : — : West Drayton [Middlesex]
Catherine Pain : wife : mar : 29 : — : West Drayton
Catherine Pain : dau : unm : 5 : — : Edmonton, Middlesex
Elizabeth Pain : dau : 4 : — : Edmonton, Middlesex
Hariett [sic] Pain :  dau : 2 : West Ham, Essex
and another household headed by Robert Lambton

The 1901 Census finds them living in Edmonton with further children including Charles Andrew; the children’s birthplaces were all stated inaccurately:

1901 Census
No. 13, St. Mary’s Road, [Lower] Edmonton, Middlesex : PRO Ref: RG13 Piece 1265 Folio 115 Page 18

Charles [Senr.] Payne : head : mar : 42 : general labourer : West Drayton, Middlesex
Kate Payne : wife : mar : 38 : — : West Drayton, Middlesex
Kate Payne : dau : unm : 16 : — : West Drayton, Middlesex
Elizabeth Payne : dau : unm : 15 : — : West Drayton, Middlesex
Harriet Payne : dau : unm : 12 : West Drayton, Middlesex
Charles [Andrew] Payne : son : unm : 9 : West Drayton, Middlesex
Robert [Lambton] Payne : son : unm : 5 : West Drayton, Middlesex
and another household headed by Ernest Gardner

Leslie’s maternal grandparents were William Edward Chamberlain and Lucy Harriett (née Davies). William Edward was born in 1866 to parents Edward Austin Chamberlain and Emily (née Everson) who had married in June 1866 [GRO Ref: Bethnal Green 1c 779, 1866 (Q2)]. He was baptised at St. Peter’s in Stepney on 21 October 1866 [IGI Film 579646].

Lucy Harriett was born in Harting, Sussex around early 1870 [GRO Ref: Midhurst 2b 403, 1870 (Q1)]. She married William Edward at the Parish Church of Tooting Graveney on 24 May 1890 [GRO Ref: Wandsworth 1d 1104, 1890 (Q2)]. The 1891 Census finds them living in Tooting:

1891 Census
No. 2, Pegasus Avenue, High Street, Tooting, London : PRO Ref: RG12 Piece 459 Folio 123 Page 41

William Chamblian [sic] : head : mar : 24 : — : Tooting, Surrey [incorrect]
Lucy Chamblian : wife : mar : 21 : — : Harting, Sussex
Annie Chamblian : — [dau] : unm : 1 month : — : Harting, Sussex

Here, William Edward’s birthplace is entered incorrectly as Tooting.

Around early 1894 their son Edwin Austin was born [GRO Ref: Wandsworth 1d 809, 1894 (Q1)]. Their daughter Annie died aged “3” in 1894 [GRO Ref: Wandsworth 1d 372, 1894 (Q3)]. On 17 March 1896 their daughter Violet May – the future mother of Leslie – was born [GRO Ref: Wandsworth 1d 770, 1896 (Q2)], followed by another daughter Lucy Orange around early 1899 [GRO Ref: Wandsworth 1d 812, 1899 (Q1)].

Later in 1899 William Edward died aged “33” [GRO Ref: Wandsworth 1d 552, 1899 (Q4)]. About a year afterwards Lucy Harriett remarried, to Alfred Jasper [GRO Ref: Wandsworth 1d 1401, 1900 (Q4)]. Here she is with Alfred in the 1901 Census:

1901 Census
No. 3, Graveney Road, Tooting Graveney, London : PRO Ref: RG13 Piece 470 Folio 67 Page 11

Alfred Jasper : head : mar : 29 : coal carman : Battersea, Surrey
Lucy H. Jasper : wife : mar : 31 : — : Harting, Sussex
William Jasper : nephew : unm : 21 : carman : Battersea, Surrey
Edwin A. Jasper [Chamberlain] : [step]son : unm : 7 : — : Tooting, Surrey
Violet M. Jasper [Chamberlain] : [step]dau : unm : 5 : — : Tooting, Surrey
Lucy O. Jasper [Chamberlain] : [step]dau : unm : 2 : — : Tooting, Surrey

The 1911 Census finds Violet’s family still living in Tooting and Charles Andrew’s family still living in Edmonton:

1911 Census
No. 18, Selkirk Road, Tooting, London : PRO Ref: RG14 Piece 2287 Schedule 315

Alfred Jasper : head : mar : 41 : carman : Battersea, Surrey
Lucy Harriet Jasper : wife : mar : 41 : — : Harting, Sussex
Edward [sic – Edwin] Austin Chamberlain : stepson : unm : 17 : printer’s lad : Tooting, Surrey
Violet May Chamberlain : stepdau : unm : 15 : daily girl : Tooting, Surrey
Lucy Orange Chamberlain : stepdau : unm : 12 : — : Tooting, Surrey
and 5 Jasper children from Lucy’s marriage to Alfred …

1911 Census
No. 13, St. Mary’s Road, Lower Edmonton, London : PRO Ref: RG14 Piece 7376 Schedule 365

Charles [Senr.] Payne : head : mar : 52 : general labourer : West Drayton, Middlesex
Catherine Payne : wife : mar : 49 : — : West Drayton, Middlesex
Charles [Andrew] Payne : son : unm : 19 : general labourer : Woodford, Essex
Robert Lambton Payne : son : unm : 14 : — : Woodford, Essex
the latter child evidently named after the man who had been boarding with the Paynes in 1891

Charles Andrew and Violet May married at the Parish Church of Tooting Graveney on 17 June 1917 [GRO Ref: Wandsworth 1d 951, 1917 (Q2)]:

In 1922 their son Leslie Charles was born [GRO Ref: Wandsworth 1d 1108, 1922 (Q3)]. It appears from the GRO birth index that he was their only child.

The Electoral Register for 1938 finds them living at No. 38, Balham High Road, Balham, London SW12. Before long they had moved to Effingham.

The National Register for 1939, taken on 29 September, finds them living at Effingham Lodge, Guildford Road and Andrew occupied as a coal and corn manager [Nat. Archives, 1939 Register, Ref. RG101/1952E]. This small cottage was situated on the west side of Dirtham Lane close to where the latter joins the Guildford Road and was actually in East Horsley parish. It once belonged to the Horsley Towers Estate and is believed to have then been a gardener’s lodge. It has since been greatly altered.

Currently, all that is known of Leslie’s military history is that he served in the Royal Tank Regiment during the War and was killed in Italy in September 1944.

The Electoral Register for 1945 (October edition) finds his parents still living in Effingham Lodge.

In 1946 Leslie’s father died aged “54” [GRO Ref: Surrey S.W. 2a 728, 1946 (Q1)]. A resident who lived in Effingham during that period has stated that Charles Andrew had hanged himself in the woods nearby, which is consistent with his entry below in the Probate Index. There appears to have been no report of his death in The Surrey Advertiser and County Times.

The Electoral Registers indicate that Violet May lingered on, alone, at Effingham Lodge for several further years before moving into nearby Calvert Farm. She died, aged just “56”, in 1952 [GRO Ref: Surrey S.W. 5g 741, 1952 (Q2)]. Her probate entry is also shown below.

In 1959 Lucy Harriett died aged “89” [GRO Ref: Wandsworth 5d 573, 1959 (Q3)].

Military Records

1. Service Record – not yet available

2. Commonwealth War Graves Commission Record

Name
Rank
Regiment
Age
Date of Death
Service No.
Grave/Memorial Ref.
Cemetery

PAYNE, LESLIE CHARLES
Trooper
Royal Tank Regiment, R.A.C.
22
06/09/1944
7947842
Panel 1.
CASSINO MEMORIAL